Yea, almost all FFP players have gone to MCL now.

What they do there works for us

Not calling you a joke Battlescar, telling you that FFP leaving MWL was a result of lack of support of the players and nothing to do with MWL itself. We will support and continue to support ANY ladder that has 6 teams or more entered into it. FFP, 3rd person, NHUA, HOLA, whatever. We support the game period, whatever format the players want.

I was calling this TIRED, OLD excuse for a flame thread a joke. In the end, both 3rd and 1st enthusiasts can likely agree that MW4 is a game we all enjoy - yet here we are arguing about which has what merits again like we do and have done for years. It's pretty pathetic.

It looks like some of the 3rdPPV players feel pretty strongly about the way they like to play.

This topic may be old and tired but so is this game. It's this kind of stuff that keeps it going. New players will ask the same questions many of the "vets" asked years ago. Should we call them noobs and bash them with our egos and intimate knowledge? I'd rather humor them and stir the pot a little. Look at all the views this tired old topic has.

Hmm, all these views gives me an idea,

FFP ladder style play at mechcombat.org

You must register to see the league links. Check it out if you like FFP and Mektek's expansions and want some league action.

Unless I'm missing something the FFP and 3PP are built in to the game and hardcoded. The server host can define wither of the two perspectives in the game setup parameters......

Wow we can have it both ways, isn't that cool......


Purists and stodgy old folks who can't handle the excitement and data perspective a 3rd person view provides can continue to limit themselves to the First person and play that way. Hosts can descriminate against the 3rd person players or the 1st person player as they always have neen able to .

So players can choose, Leagues can choose....

Let the MP4 games begin sometimes soon, and let this issue not be some divisive arguement that continues to whittle away at the few pilots we still have left..

small technical point: 3PV carries significant advantages over FFP - firing missiles and setting up a pop-tart or hill hump without exposing your mech over the crest primarily. they're generally kept separate because they are not separate but equal. i think even 3PV people will agree here...

i can fight both ways, but prefer 3rd person. not for the so called advantage,but just to look at my mech while playing.there is 1 other advantage that 3rd person gives and that is u dont get stuck as much.

When 3rd person view is finally "fixed", i'm pretty sure FFP players will play in 3rd POV servers and vice-versa.

Just a minor comment here, first person is much harder to play in since your reticule is affected by your mechs movements, so you need to struggle with your controls to shoot stuff...that makes it more "exciting" for me. Getting hit in the head is lotso fun too because stuff flies straight at your face, (the spiral from gauss is especially awsome when viewed from the inside). It's also pretty cool that all your cockpit spews out sparks and smoke when that happens.

As for the data thing, you have to think a lot more when playing in first person because your view can't show you where your target is. You give a good guess as to where they may be and try to use the terrain and radar to throw them off about your own position, then pop or flank or rush or whatever it is you need to do.

This topic reminds me of the Sci-fi channel: It's old, it's tired and it never gets any better.

Of all the stupid things people could be arguing about in this game and looking down their nose at each other for their choice, it's which camera perspective they prefer... Good god...

Welcome to the Internets. Take a number, have a seat and we'll be right with you.

NICE!!

this thread is a waste of time, you guys could be playing MW4 the way you guys want but your here arguing which view is better
this POV debate is like a religon of sorts (ie. FFP ppl trying to convert 3rd FOV, 3rd FOV trying to convert FFP ppl)

Actually no one's converting anyone.

The reason they don't get along is because both sides cannot stand the other's settings.

3rd person players hates FFP because it is too restrictive for them.
FFP players don't like 3rd POV because of the "advantage" of 3rd person view player over them.

But, once the "advantage" is fixed, I bet FFP players will flood MP4 servers too. Without the "advantage", both sides will get along well.

it realy seems like they're converting

We're already in your servers raeping your perspectives.

Gimpy! Long time no see.

On topic:

I play MechWarrior 4 however I want to play it. And if you whine about me legging or doing something that the game allows, chances are that I will just do it more often.

God damn, I wish I could feel like I am actually in the mech and not staring at a computer screen when I play FFP.
The only feeling I get when I play first person is "yep, they're still bad".

LOL! I agree.
I am a FFP hardass, but if I play in a 3pv server, I use it too... I shoot at TC, but if I see a damaged leg... heh.
Stop discussing. Just play, in the conditions you want. NOBODY is forcing NOBODY to play in any condition... choose the server you like, play and HAVE FUN! Wasn´t it the meaning of the game?

But the merging of the players in the same server w/o any qualms about settings will be much much better.

Imagine an FFP:Off server with both 3rd POV and FFP players going together in harmony and/or duking each other.

would only work to everyone's satisfaction in MP4, with the largest advantages inherent in 3PV negated. that said i still play on 3PV servers every now and then in FP mode, and do just fine. then again, it doesnt bother me as much as it does others to give up a pretty big advantage.

Nerfing 3rd PV is not likely to be received well by those of us who prefer that gamestyle.


To Magnus: Hey man, nice to see you too bro. Glad to see you're still kicking around blowing mechs up.

I used 3rd person when I could for two reasons:

1st and most importantly the cockpits were horrid, and in a game that already had a sub-par graphics I wanted every little bit out of it.

2nd was the fact my joysticks tended to disagree with 1st person, aiming was more touchy and the joystick liked to jump when making tiny adjustments.

I agree on what's posted by most of the 3rd person players here (ie. their preference mainly) but the "advantage" of 3rd POV over an FFP player in a 3rd POV:ON server shouldn't be there in the first place.

Making it an equal footing between FFP and 3rd person players isn't exactly nerfing ... it's more like "fixing".

INCOMING! FOR GOD'S SAKE, FIND COVER!

Agreed. FFP is pointlessly crippled, and 3pv has been poorly implemented as well.

As long as we have targets to shoot at, I will keep playing..
But if ever the FFP view is abandoned by all patch and upgrade makers, I just might lose a bit of interest.
In other words, keep on playing it, but let me drive the thing as if I was seated in it, plz.
Its the same feeling with operating large heavy machinery, you are always guessing what you cannot actually set your eyes on.
Knowing that, I cannot pilot without that strapped in feeling. (same goes when being hit, surely rocks it)
All the best to all warriors.
1st or 3rd, we'll play you anytime...=)
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I believe it's time for that good old picture to make a reappearence...

Glad to hear it..... U#&*$&ng instigator!...... read the whole damned thread before saying something that can piss off even the neutrals with your ignorance.

I hope you were kdding about this part.
If you were, critcism retracted and this thread needs to be sent home. (spam section)

Not often I post here, and I think its going to take a while before I post again.
Why does everyone believe that being rude is cool....
That was meant as a *pep post* to the players, not a bash me I'm dumb kinda post...
Your liberty ends where that of others begin, Revolver, remember that.....
Salutations
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B&


Also: FFP, awesome, etc.

Is a 3rd person player going to over react every time a fan FFP posts? What was wrong with what Spartaky said? Some of you guys r sofa king we todd it.

I stated my stance in that post. Why dont you go on ahead and read the rest of my posts while you're at it because the fact that I am attacking you does NOT make me a 3pvp it just makes me slightly annoyed. To those who took offense, Im sorry. However, me being as close as I get to being an ************ is nothing compared to others here, By using the word "instigator" I was merely trying to warn about where that kind of mind set might get someone among players who look down the closed mindedand by that, I AM NOT REFERRING TO 1pv ONLY but anyone who tries to rant about either is fumes away from igniting a flame war and this kind of thing is getting kind of old, FOR CHRIST SAKES THIS GAME IS NOT GETTING ANY YOUNGER. Learn to Live and let live. Be happy with what you have and stick to it. As long as no one (not even mektek) has access to the original source code, any gripes you might have are fruitless because as it is, as you yourself have mentioned, in representation as 1 of many, it would go against common sense to alter ANY of the views in or out of the canopy.


Oh, Im sorry did I over react? How is calling someone who obviosly may not have read enough of the thread before posting with a sarcastic edge in the first place out as an instigator wrong? You AND anyone else like your buddy are turning everyone else against you because no one likes to hear anyone else bost or complain about anything that isnt a big deal, take it from one of the guys who voted both and be done with it. As for league issues, see warpig's posts and compare to the polls..HF The resuts SHOULD BE to your liking.

Inflammatory is comments like "The only feeling I get when I play first person is "yep, they're still bad". See, nobody cared about that comment because the guy who said it has been running his mouth for years. Many of us know that we will be facing well thought out twinkles of wisdom arguing for pages and pages if we dare respond. They even have an army of trained forum fighters to come make me look silly. (oh noes!!! here they come!!! the l33t forum fighters, RUN!!!!)

SPARTAKYS who I don't know and have never seen on this or any other forum posted on the subject matter of the this thread.. He gave his best and saluted all. He spoke his opinion. Leave the dude alone.

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I think its time to end this thing...

Indeed. This thread has had more than it's allotted quotent of

yes, LOCK THIS THREAD, IT ANNOYING

Although I don't think it's a cheat ... it's definitely a broken implementation.

The floating pilot is funny.

FFP is pointlessly crippled, and 3pv has been poorly implemented as well.


The best way to implement thrid person (if it was possible hah hah) would be to make it that you can't see mechs that you wouldn't normally be able to see from a first person perspective. So, if you were third person peering over a hill, you wouldn't be able to see that mech on the other side of the ridge like you can in Mercs.

Not meaning to derail the thread but....

I thought that posting pictures of mentally handicapped people to belittle others was big time against the rules?

If not then I am sorry been a while since I have been lurking and rules do change..


I'm not saying I'm just saying! Might help things stay a little more calm in discussion.

tell me about it... Kinda scary actually. Oh wait.. "stops to listen to muffled laughter in the background".. Isn't that guy a mod? WTF??

No, the hackers vs scientology thread is annoying... This is the kind of thing THAT NEVER GETS OLD!!

This is a dead subject, beat up, locked,new peps start it over and over again, and for what? Just to start Flam Wars. When this topic is started the pep should be banned!

I play 1st person most of the time. I like the "realism" of it, being a bt fan for two decades now. And, for the record, I'm much better at aiming in 1st. There are certain situations where aiming in 3rd view is almost impossible when in 1st it's good for a hit.

One of those is if you just have gone prone because of a big hit and your mech is getting up. Happens alot to a light/medium pilot like me. In 1st view I don't need to wait until the mech is up, I can fire right away when the recticle is at my opponent. More than once I surprised them and blown them to bits when he thought I was all scrap metal. In 3rd view you will not know when your weapons are ready to fire.

In brawling situations (my favorite) I find 1st also more suitable, but that is my personal experience.

3rd is good for reconnaissance and poptarting in my opinion.

As for the rear and bottom view in 1st: There is a reason the picture looks like a video, you know ;-)

I usualy run 3rd person mode. I would be a lot more interested in playing first person, but I don't think it was very well done on this game.

I don't play multiplayer, so I wouldn't know anything about people using it to "cheat".

Then there's nothing really wrong with it, because i'm pretty sure the single player AI / Bots wouldn't mind.

The conflict happens only in multi-player, when both type of players clash in the same FFP:ON server.

hmm... you say thrid person is bad because it removes the simulation of the game... what if youre a person like me that says screw the realism, its a game and im gonna play it the way i wanna!

people like you get mentally choked by people like me for forcing me to play in 1st >:(

There's no problem when it comes to preference; and this is what you're saying.

The problem is the 3rd person POV implementation. It doesn't matter if a 3rd person player, plays in a 3rd person server with other 3rd person players.

The clash between the 2 sides only happen when both players are in the same 3rd person server. It wont matter much because both type of players rarely play on the server anyways, but it is a good idea if it is "fixed", so both players can play in harmony in 3rd person servers.

Oh, and btw, i'm not forcing 3rd person players to use 1st ... I'm just putting in my opinion, just like everyone else in here. And also hoping it gets "fixed", if it is even possible.

i wasnt talking about you... i was talkin to the people that are reading this that do force people into 1st...

I was the last one to post ... and you were referencing "you" in your statement.

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interesting