That new league is FFP, FYI

Some of you seem very enthusiastic about 3rd person... Makes me wonder if you're just closeted 1st person purists.

3rd person will be dealt with in MP4. Bascially, if your cockpit can't see it, nor will you. End of argument. Done deal.

WTF!?! Nice!!!

This will lure me into playing some 3rd person games!

Don't feel bitter about all of MWL just for liking a gametype that you don't. Asking 3pv players to play ffp is basically asking them to handicap themselves in your favour for no good reason. And you consenting to follow the rules of the leagues you sign up for is not giving a little, it's giving what you agreed to give.



It's not april 1st, is it?

less snapping turtle, more reading - the man said that he was disappointed when they closed down the small section of MWL that was FFP - there was a small number of ladders and dedicated folks that played FFP while the majority were 3PV dimwi- erm, i mean players. i see absolutely no problem with setting up separate ladders for separate playing styles, and i don't see why anyone else would have a problem with it, unless we're getting into that "you have to play the game the way i play it or your can't play" BS.

my personal preference is FFP, simply because 3PV seems too easy. as far as i'm concerned, the sort of attitude that makes sunder an incessant BeheII fest is the same one driving 3PV - "GIVE ME EVERY ADVANTAGE I CAN POSSIBLY HAVE I MUST WINNNNNNN!!!!!" honestly, i'd rather have the challenge. everyone gets wingy when theyre getting pwned constantly and everyone likes to win of course, but then again any idiot can get in a behe cockpit and rack up a double-digit kill score. for me, a high score doesn't mean diddly unless i've earned it, and i know there are a bunch of folks who think the same way. FFP is just part of that challenge and also far more interesting - you're IN the game as opposed to just controlling it.

now, that said, i obviously feel somewhat strongly about avoiding 3PV when i can. i'm not gonna browbeat and try and corner other players into playing FFP, but i'd expect the same courtesy.

I hope not.

But then again, that man in your avatar looks like he means business.

If Sunder becomes a random team tonnage and/or class (ie. 35 / 55 / 75 / 100) limited, then it'll be much much better.

Unbiased.

lolololololololol

Third.

no, because if you give a team of 8 players 600 tons, at least one person isn't going to get to play because everyone takes assaults.

they can have an elemental?...

ROB EVIL,
Thanks for the links. The view the monitors provide is impressive. I like the multiple window opportunities as well.

I Agree, limited team tonnage only works in League play. In the opens its not the point to have everyone play fair, the point is to have a good time.

im not sure if it supports Mercs but i'm going to find out cause i'd like to give it a try

Well elementals don't usually do well against assualt mechs lol.

Unless the next patch brings us the ability to jump on someones mech, open their cockpit, and chuck the pilot out...all in first person of course

And yet there aren't enough FFP players to keep a league active in MWL. So the problem isn't anyone telling you you can't play FFP, jut that there aren't enough FFP players to warrent a whole ladder. So, I'm reading it properly and you're bitter about us dimwi- errrr players not wanting to play with your preferences.

You might be mistaking "advantage" for "lack of disadvantage". It's subtle, I'll grant you, but the difference is important. If you walk into a gun fight and you have the choice of a knife or a gun, and you pick up the knife because it takes more skill, you can't call everyone who picked the gun an idiot. Now, if you walk into a game that allows a certain play-aspect; be that third person, unlimited ammo or the like, you can't rail and rant against people who base their playing style around what they can do and what they like to do. This is a game and people play games to be competative. At least multiplayer games. Would you go into an NHUA game and count your shots? Stop using a weapon when you know it would have run out of ammo? Or accuse people of being lame for not doing so during said game?

No, you avoid NHUA games because that kind of game doesn't appeal to you so why play it. FFP is the same.



Well I don't think anyone is telling you you have to play 3rd person. And we do extend the same courtesy, we avoid FFP if we don't like it. You might be mistaking "circumstance" for "conspiracy by the mean ol' 3rd person players to subvert our religion and way of life" though. Just because there aren't enough FFP players to sustain a league in MWL does not mean that anyone is forcing you to play 3rd.

I don't care which you prefer and if you do prefer to play FFP then by all means do so but don't go pretending the whole world is against you and your rightous crusade, is all.

I prefer 3PV because I've played it a lot more and feel much more comfortable using it. That being said i play both NBT and various MWL leagues.

I could call everyone that doesn't like 3PV HOLA FFP noobs or NHUA noobs but that would just be a selfish attempt to validate my favorite flavor of the game and belittle someone else's. If you can roll you can roll regardless of the settings. If you can't stop using the settings as an excuse.

FFP, 3PV, NHUA, HOLA, it's all good.

ah, the old "your style of play must suck because no one plays it" argument... even less pertinent considering the fact that there are still at least a hundred players out there who play FFP almost exclusively. i will never understand why this issue makes people react like they're having a flashback to "fun time" with uncle joey. it's pretty simple. you play it one way, or you play it the other way. if you're at that, "im in college and i want to experiment" phase, you can play it both ways. who cares? i mean, i certainly dont give a flip if you want to drag your knuckles on the ground, breathe through your mouth and play 3PV whenever you're not playing x-box live. your life, your rules.

seriously, though, this "crusade" you're foaming at the mouth about... the only people who care THAT much about any facet of the way they live their lives, the ones who feel the need to defend it to the pain, the ones who are justifying themselves at 80 decibels over a ridiculous issue are usually... well, you know how this ends. ill play nice and let you connect the dots.

Therein lies the telling part. I'm not saying your style of play sucks, but you're telling me that 3rd person view does, and that its players are dimwits. All i'm saying is most people don't prefer to play the way you do. That's not an opinion, nor is it an insult, it is an observation. I'm not foaming at the mouth or crusading, I just find your self contradictions to be kind of amusing, so I thought I'd explore and see if it is a misunderstanding or if you're really that messed up. I'm not justifying myself here, because I don't have to defend what I'm doing. You don't have to defend your preferred style of play either. The issue that's amusing me is your desire to be some kind of martyr to the evils of "dimwits and knuckle dragging mouth breathers", desperate for people to be persecuting you so you can feel a little more rightous about an issue that means aboslutly nothing to anyone.

So you tell me, why do you think you have to sling insults around, and then claim that others (me) are the ones foaming at the mouth? I think those traits are more indicitive of "justifying ones self at 80 decibels". If you could rely on facts and opinions then you wouldn't need to fall back on glib remarks, accusations and insults. Of which I have made none, by the way. So why is it important enough to you to go that far, when it isn't important enough to me? All I'm doing is saying that people should play how they want, and that expecting others to play how you want just because you want it is unrealistic. Seems like a reasonable position to take to me, but hey, feel free to point out why i'm out of order there.

dude, noone told you that it sucks, nor that you suck... i could call you out on the "how dare you put a LGLAS on a NovaCat" (puretech) or "you're not playing stocks?!?" (stocks) argument as well, and try to diminish what you do...

heck, i bet alot of people here haven't played the game called I wanna be the guy - just because noone played it, doesn't mean it sucks... then again, some people MAY have played it, didn't get past the third screen, and decided that it sucks... i've beaten the game at Very Hard... it was, honestly, one of the best games i've ever played... it's challenging AND it needs skill - but i'm not calling out every Mario fan a noob because he doesn't like IWBTG or because he can't beat it...

Shini just pointed out that you disregard the comments that says 1st PV / 3rd PV sucks, and enjoy your choice - don't rub it in other people's faces...

this isn't about 1st or 3rd PV, is it? it's about proving to everyone that YOU are right, and THEY are wrong, isn't it? because if it is - you're an idiot. and if it isn't - aren't the Americans the first ones to say "blah blah freedom of choice blah blah" ? to each his own, live and let live. play the game you like it, with whomever you like to. don't call other people stupid because they don't play it like you and your group does IF they have a choice not to play it that way.

i said this back on page 1, still holds true and I still smell a lock coming because it always ends this way, civility at its best...

actually i was mostly just having fun with Shini; i couldnt possibly imagine that he would feel so strongly about the issue as to be so snarky only 4 posts into the thread. i honestly thought he was joking, and was jumping in to joke with him and stir the pot a little bit. aaaaaaaand i was wrong. i guess i underestimated how butthurt people get when you talk about perspective. might as well be having a conversation about religion on the gaza strip. sheesh.

Seen it before. I prefer 3rd person-the view is better.

well since you were joking, it's all ok. we were all joking. maybe this whole thread is a joke.
no wonder FFP got canceled - who could keep playing when the enemy players are this phuney.
haven't heard a "you all suck - i'm joking" joke in quite a while...

I use both, I guess, but most of the time I like to see my mech in action and in brawls 3pv helps give you that extra perspective of whats going on especially when you rammed the other mech

Actually, if memory serves as far as the BTU... most of the immediately important hud data is compressed into about 180-160' degrees of your *visor* ... 360 into 180-160, that is, and the T&T computers try to keep track of important things and highlight them for you in the hud.

As far as the whole poo-poo over how many people play what... back when the game was actually popular, young, and at it's apex, the majority of servers (and most players) were 3PV. FFP was a minority (albiet a very whin... I mean, LOUD one...). Seriously though, that whole line of reasoning is backwards. Some people like 3PV, some people like FFP, and as far as which is better, that's wholly a persons *opinion,* in the realm of what one likes.




You realize you've just confirmed my answer? As far as my confidence... ... I suppose I could get some of the admins and people in the know to back me up on it, because I remember their comments on that particular issue quite well...

by jove, he's right! it's been about as long as an americans are hypocritical morons comment!

but it's ok since we're all joking here...

i just thought about why we have 3rd FOV

whats wrong with having a spy drone?

we dont thats the problem

please elaborate

Mechs don't have spy drones, is what he meant.

I wonder what view was used during battles on the board game. I bet it was kinda hard to hide behind that plastic mountain when u could see every move your opponent made. That must be a sanctioned cheat of some sort.

well how would you know they don't have spy drones
its what year again?

Price you pay for playing a board game.

But, there were some matches where you played by double blind rules. Two tables, each player only has his pieces on the board and those of his opponent that his units had LOS on. A ref was the only person who knew where all the units on the board were.

When I play the board game I stand about 7 feet away from the table and I crouch down close to the floor, I then pitch my head forward and look up through the top of my eyeballs. I wait till I see my opponent peek and I jump up and throw the dice at him.

I was just kidding. Nothing we can really do about it.

Irrelevant.

Unless you're battlescar

LOL

See the group I game with do just the opposite. We use a card table (or actually I have a custom gaming table) and once we get everything set up, we sit in a bar stools that are about 4 or 5 ft higher than the table. That way we get the (almost) true 3PV that is seen in the PC Game...
Kinda rough rolling the dice tho...

*looks over shoulder at multiple bookshelves slam full of battletech books and novels*



BT is somewhat backwards like that... we have some things even now they would find almost impossible.

that doesn't mean they don't have some sort of spy system

This thread is a joke, so are the folks who want to do away with 3pv at the same time complaining "MWL took away FFP ladders". Simple fact is if FFP players supported MWL and played games there, there would still be FFP ladders. It died due to a lack of activity from the players - period. I say this as an MWL Admin who knows that we are quite happy to provide opportunities for any and all people to play the game we all love.

Both 1st and 3rd are enjoyable to most of us. If you don't like one view, fine, but do the majority of us a favor and keep your attitudes to yourselves.

EDIT: By the way, get 6 teams together who will agree to play FFP in MWL, and we'll be happy to reopen an FFP ladder anytime. I for one know I'd sign my own team up, so all you need are 5 more.

Based on the survey, majority likes FFP and then the "doesn't care" group. Hmmmm.

Then all the folks who "love FFP" so much should form teams and join MWL to play mekteks latest pack, don't you think? Or do you prefer sitting in forums and whininng about 3pv more?

The obvious answer is the latter, so lets just sit in here and bash other people from the comforts of your shielded narrow viewpoints instead, m'kay?

I doubt most of the players from the largest MPx league read or post on mektek forums.

Piggy said it best, just cause you prefer FFP doesnt mean everyone else does and vice versa.

If this game became strictly FFP only, I for one would hang up the controller fo sho.

I will play either way. Used to play 1st person view, occasionally still do. But MWL is pretty much 3PV.

I had no idea Outlaw ran in 1PV! 0.0

By the way, 3 monitors are not the max. You can get quad, six, or even 8 or more.

http://www.matrox.com/graphics/en/dispatch.../extiof1400.php

http://www.tradingcomputers.com/TC_8mon-2R.html

I have seen threads (perhaps on other forums) devoted to reverse engineering the video output so that the view from the left arm and the view from the right arm could be ported to secondary monitors. If one could do that, one could do rear and ground view as well. Have absolutely no idea if it's possible.

We have a winner. You are, in point of fact, entirely correct. Many of the people who actively post at mektek, particularly in the mech4 mercs section are mostly players in the opens. Most of the folks from MWL stay at MWL by and large. If you had this poll at MWL, you would probably get exactly the opposite response. With maybe a few more posts about the tactical superiority of 3rd depending where you posted it.

But, you posted it here where all the FFP people hang out. Its kind of like taking a poll for the presidential race in California and being surprised when you get a democrat( Note, this is not an insult to any group, just a handy example)

Fixed. And QFT.

Quote:

"Then all the folks who "love FFP" so much should form teams and join MWL to play mekteks latest pack, don't you think? Or do you prefer sitting in forums and whininng about 3pv more?

The obvious answer is the latter, so lets just sit in here and bash other people from the comforts of your shielded narrow viewpoints instead, m'kay?"




You calling me a joke War Pig?

You need to go read my post again. I said I was upset cause I miss it. I understand why they closed. Fact is MWL did not support it. Teams left, people lost interest.... In the end it was not supported at MWL.

You should know better than to insult people as an "admin" of MWL. Why would I bring my team back there if you think we are a joke? (an admin of the league)

I like to stir the pot. That's obvious. I don't like insults. I can't be upset because the FFP ladders are closed? I can't miss the action that teams like yours brought to the table? Who the hell are you to tell me what to think?

BTW, look at my post count. I don't spend my time posting on forums because of egotistical remarks from people.

Please, go read my post again and tell me I'm wrong.

Also, I made that post as a reply to someone who said FFP was being forced on them when I feel the opposite.

FFP players have there own MPxx league now. Do you have a problem with that too?